Wanted to make sure to get this copied and pasted before she deleted it. Wish someone would come along and prove me wrong, but it doesn't look like its going to be this time around. I should mention that the numbers of the group have now dwindled down to 219 from 226.
Who needs cable eh? ;)
"52 couples (which strangely includes females) and about 22 all female couples (that would certainly be a needed necessity for the "all girl" play room and over 100 SINGLE FEMALES"
Haha, what a lie. There were like 15 guys and 2 women there. This was obviously just a cash-grab. No wonder your response was so defensive.
Whatever. I was curious. Turns out, swingers clubs are just what I expected - 90% men, mostly creepy and old.
Enjoy the $30 you got from me Victoria. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
Edited by User 7,915,871 on Oct 30, 2009 8:24 AM
You just can't teach or buy "class".
I have been a member of several Meet Up groups over the last three years and while most of them have not met my needs, I like to think that I can still learn something from every experience. However, with this one group, I am still puzzling out exactly what the lesson here might be.
First a bit of the backstory to get you caught up. (Promise, this is the short version)
A year or so ago, I joined a Cuddle group on the meet up site, and was looking forward to something similar to the Cuddle Parties I had seen on YouTube. What I soon discovered was that the creation of this group was merely a luring device employed by the organizer to give himself a wide variety of women to hit up for some 1-on-1 "cuddling". The irony to this whole thing is that the typical gender make up of these types of groups is about a dozen guys for every female. So, I wasn't exactly flattered by the email asking me if I'd be interested in meeting privately. Soon thereafter the group organizer abandoned that tactic as well as the group.
Some time later another cuddling group was started, this one by a m/f couple, so I thought it would be more genuine then the single dude looking to score. How naive of me. Again, the same thing. Gender make up primarily male and the male organizer would only create events that permitted only one other participant. Not long after the male of the couple emailed me asking if I'd like to cuddle 1-on-1. When asked "what about the female partner?" was told that she was "shy" and so on. I declined and left the group.
So, time passes, I have my cuddling needs met, firstly by my boy toy and secondly by the cuddle group I started and host on Facebook. But am still a member of a group or two on Meet Up and when I received the following notice, I thought it rather funny and totally ignored it.
We saw your post and thought you'd be a perfect fit for the new group that we just started (The exotic erotic sexual fantasies and lifestyles meetup)...We're pretty much hand picking all of the members..Please check us out when you get a chance and let us know what you think.. xxx
TJ, Shannon and Vicky
But I did check out their profile and being brought up with tact and class, I kept what I thought of them to myself (no face pics, just some teasing body shots. You know what that means, "butta face"). Also there was no option to reply to them directly - they had blocked their email.
Again, time goes by, and one of my cuddle friends is still in the cuddle group and so when I saw that the "average couple" had stepped down as organizers and there were new ones in charge, I once again began to hope. But I saw who the organizers were so I was skeptical but always willing to approach new experiences with an open mind. So, I joined. Things have been getting most interesting - to say the least. And this has been only since Oct 25th.
So, the first thing the new organizers did, was completely change the focus and direction of the cuddle group and just made it like the other two. Here is their first communication to the group.
Keep in mind that the group is called "Cuddle parties and beyond". With this gruesome threesome, we have gone "beyond" to be certain.
Again, looking to fullfill their needs with little or no regard for what the membership wants or needs. So, some of us that joined a cuddle group, have voiced some concerns and confusion as to the change in direction. I mean, if I wanted to join the "exotic" group, I would have.
So, they planned their first group outting for Oct 29 at a Swinger's Club. Wouldn't you know it, not one female from the group is willing to go alone. So, one of the members mentioned that and here is the response that was posted the next day.
You should be advised of the following facts, give you a broader picture, because these folks must work in marketing or advertising, for they truly understand the expression, "It's all in how you sell it":
For example, she talks about how there are 168 members from one group and blah blah another group has this many....Well, in fact, the vast majority of said members are inert. Checking the members pages of these groups, well over 70% have not logged into the site in over three months or more. So, in fact, there are only about a dozen active members.
Then the claim about the "hotness" factor of the members of the core group, the wild and crazy swingers, well, when one checks the profiles of said members, it's almost always either a pic of the guy, mostly naked and either no face pics or just body pics of the women. Hhhmm, curious.
As to her rebuttal to Paul's concerns, well just off the top of my head, I found it hysterical where she talks about 22 all female couples. Well, great (if only it were true) but how does that reassure Paul that he might have one hope in hell of scoring? The event costs $30 (they claim they negotiated this price with the owner, horsepuckies, that's the price listed on the clubs website) so Paul wanted some reassurance that he might have a familiar lady or two with which to hope to score with or something during the course of the evening. Otherwise, what difference is this club from any other where the socially challenged are too intimidated to attend? Instead he got that reply and booted out because at the time of the writing of this entry, he was no longer a member. Some class and tact would have made her so much more appealing. Now that reply is up for every member of the group to see. You just can't teach some people class.
Personally I am keeping my membership in both the FWB group and this new and not-so-improved-cuddle group because this is just too funny to leave, and I don't have cable T.V. I need to get my soap opera fix somewhere. ;)
First a bit of the backstory to get you caught up. (Promise, this is the short version)
A year or so ago, I joined a Cuddle group on the meet up site, and was looking forward to something similar to the Cuddle Parties I had seen on YouTube. What I soon discovered was that the creation of this group was merely a luring device employed by the organizer to give himself a wide variety of women to hit up for some 1-on-1 "cuddling". The irony to this whole thing is that the typical gender make up of these types of groups is about a dozen guys for every female. So, I wasn't exactly flattered by the email asking me if I'd be interested in meeting privately. Soon thereafter the group organizer abandoned that tactic as well as the group.
Some time later another cuddling group was started, this one by a m/f couple, so I thought it would be more genuine then the single dude looking to score. How naive of me. Again, the same thing. Gender make up primarily male and the male organizer would only create events that permitted only one other participant. Not long after the male of the couple emailed me asking if I'd like to cuddle 1-on-1. When asked "what about the female partner?" was told that she was "shy" and so on. I declined and left the group.
So, time passes, I have my cuddling needs met, firstly by my boy toy and secondly by the cuddle group I started and host on Facebook. But am still a member of a group or two on Meet Up and when I received the following notice, I thought it rather funny and totally ignored it.
We saw your post and thought you'd be a perfect fit for the new group that we just started (The exotic erotic sexual fantasies and lifestyles meetup)...We're pretty much hand picking all of the members..Please check us out when you get a chance and let us know what you think.. xxx
TJ, Shannon and Vicky
But I did check out their profile and being brought up with tact and class, I kept what I thought of them to myself (no face pics, just some teasing body shots. You know what that means, "butta face"). Also there was no option to reply to them directly - they had blocked their email.
Again, time goes by, and one of my cuddle friends is still in the cuddle group and so when I saw that the "average couple" had stepped down as organizers and there were new ones in charge, I once again began to hope. But I saw who the organizers were so I was skeptical but always willing to approach new experiences with an open mind. So, I joined. Things have been getting most interesting - to say the least. And this has been only since Oct 25th.
So, the first thing the new organizers did, was completely change the focus and direction of the cuddle group and just made it like the other two. Here is their first communication to the group.
Keep in mind that the group is called "Cuddle parties and beyond". With this gruesome threesome, we have gone "beyond" to be certain.
We just wanted to introduce ourselves and give a quick "shout out" to everyone. There's a new Sheriff in town baby and we're taking the group in a completely different direction. The "Resurrection" is on boys and girls. So stay tuned for some major changes and some major fun. We're not your average organizers and we're not your average couple. We're all about ''thinking out of the box". For those of you who belong to one or both of our other two groups (Friends with benefits and the outrageous "The Exotic Erotic Sexual Fantasies and Lifestyles Meetup") know what we're talking about :-). Now we realized that all of you originally signed up for the group for different reasons and with a different agenda with the original organizers. So having said , we understand that the new direction that we're taking may not be for you. If that be the case, we understand if you decide to leave the group, but of course you're most welcome to stay.Now don't get us wrong there will be some aspects of the group that will be similar to the original concepts and objectives of the original organizers. Its just that we're going to be doing it a little differently and with a whole lot more flavor. so for those of you who'd like to bail, we understand. For those of you who'd like to stay all we can say is FASTEN YOUR SEAT BELTS! For those of you who do decide to stay , you're going to be reaping some "Benefits" right away. As mentioned earlier, We're the organizers of the other two groups. The First is "Friends With Benefits" in which we inherited about 183 members. This group was started by the same organizers and along the same lines as "cuddlers" but with a slightly different concept. They too will be under-going a major transformation and will be operated in unison with us (Friends Without Boundaries). So anyone that belong to either of the two groups will automatically have complete acces to the membership base of both groups and all of their meetup events and activities.
Now for those of you who'd really like to spice things up and try something completely wild and adventurous, there's "The Exotic Erotic Sexual Lifestyles and Fantasies Meetup Group". We're going to be giving preference for membership to members of both of the new groups that we just took over. Be warned though, this group puts the "E" in the word Erotic! There are some really, really super hot, open-minded, sexually charged, wild and crazy (in a good way lol) people in this group.If you go to the meetup page, it shows that we have about 36 members. About 20 open-minde couples and an assortment of about 16 guys and gals all of various sexual orientations for a total of about 66 people members. You guys should see some of the wild and sexy pics on their profiles lol. Anyway what the stats don't show is that there are about 150 people on a waiting list trying to get into the group. With respect to the nature of the group, we're obviosly being very selective about who we let join. However, as stated we're going to give our members of both groups (friends with benefits and friends without boundaries) FRONT OF THE LINE PRIVILEDGES. Any COUPLES and SINGLE FEMALES who belong to our two new groups WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED UPON RECIEVING THEIR APPLICATION TO JOIN. Single males will also be given front of the line priviledges, but may have to go on a short wait list in an effort to keep the female to male ration balanced (in favor of the females)..But you will be put in front of everyone else that's waiting. The other good news is THAT ALL MEMBERS OF BOTH OF OUR TWO NEW GROUPS WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND SOME OF IF NOT ALL OF THE EXOTIC EROTIC MEETUPS EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT A MEMBER YET. The first being an absolutely wild Halloween Party coming up next week. We'll keep you posted on that. This event will either be on the 28th, 29th, or the 30th of this month and trust us this will not be your average Halloween Party!!!
So take all of this in and we'll be in touch again soon to keep everyone updated on everything. Once again we're really happy to be the New Organizers of the group and we're here to make the group the best that it can possibly be for you. If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us. By the way, we're also looking for assistant organizers for all of the groups . So if you like to help out please let us know. There are some really nice perks and 'benefits" for the assistants :-). One last thing, for those of you who'd like to join the Exotic group, be sure to mention that you''re a member of our other two groups. Other wise we'd have no way of knowing and you'd just be placed at the end of the wait list with everyone else. Take care everyone and enjoy the rest of the week
Again, looking to fullfill their needs with little or no regard for what the membership wants or needs. So, some of us that joined a cuddle group, have voiced some concerns and confusion as to the change in direction. I mean, if I wanted to join the "exotic" group, I would have.
So, they planned their first group outting for Oct 29 at a Swinger's Club. Wouldn't you know it, not one female from the group is willing to go alone. So, one of the members mentioned that and here is the response that was posted the next day.
Yes Paul you're absolutely right. There isn't ONE single female signed up for the event, there' s (at the time of this email) over 52 couples (which strangely includes females) and about 22 all female couples (that would certainly be a needed necessity for the "all girl" play room and over 100 SINGLE FEMALES who'll be out on their own. So yes Paul you were right there will be a field day to be had and looks like you won't be apart of it :-). You obviously were well informed on the fact that there will be several other groups and guests from other clubs joining us which was clearly stated in the details that were sent out. So thanks Paul for keeping us updated and we're terribly sorry that you won't be coming out to play. We understand that you just might be more comfortable staying home in familiar surroundings and playing with yourself.. Your accurate input and opinion is always appreciated and seeing that you're so well informed, we look forward to your future updates ..xxx tootles ...Victoria
You should be advised of the following facts, give you a broader picture, because these folks must work in marketing or advertising, for they truly understand the expression, "It's all in how you sell it":
For example, she talks about how there are 168 members from one group and blah blah another group has this many....Well, in fact, the vast majority of said members are inert. Checking the members pages of these groups, well over 70% have not logged into the site in over three months or more. So, in fact, there are only about a dozen active members.
Then the claim about the "hotness" factor of the members of the core group, the wild and crazy swingers, well, when one checks the profiles of said members, it's almost always either a pic of the guy, mostly naked and either no face pics or just body pics of the women. Hhhmm, curious.
As to her rebuttal to Paul's concerns, well just off the top of my head, I found it hysterical where she talks about 22 all female couples. Well, great (if only it were true) but how does that reassure Paul that he might have one hope in hell of scoring? The event costs $30 (they claim they negotiated this price with the owner, horsepuckies, that's the price listed on the clubs website) so Paul wanted some reassurance that he might have a familiar lady or two with which to hope to score with or something during the course of the evening. Otherwise, what difference is this club from any other where the socially challenged are too intimidated to attend? Instead he got that reply and booted out because at the time of the writing of this entry, he was no longer a member. Some class and tact would have made her so much more appealing. Now that reply is up for every member of the group to see. You just can't teach some people class.
Personally I am keeping my membership in both the FWB group and this new and not-so-improved-cuddle group because this is just too funny to leave, and I don't have cable T.V. I need to get my soap opera fix somewhere. ;)
Canadian writer-director Paul Haggis denounces Scientology over gay rights
Nothing like an exciting religious skirmish to get your week started. From radaronline: "Tom Cruise, John Travolta and Jenna Elfman can count one less Hollywood A-Lister as a fellow Scientologist. In a shock heard-round-the-Scientology world, Paul Haggis has very publicly quit the organization. Among the acclaimed Haggis' many credits: he wrote Million Dollar Baby and Flags of Our Fathers for Clint Eastwood; and he produced/directed and wrote Crash for which he won an Oscar. He has an all-around stellar reputation in Hollywood as one of the good guys who made good. It was his conscience that made him quit the religion he's been part of for 35 years, Haggis said in a letter to Tommy Davis. Davis, the son of actress Anne Archer, is the face of Scientology, appearing on numerous TV interviews every year. Roger Friedman, in his Hollywood Reporter column, Showbiz 411, broke the story Sunday, and published a copy of Haggis' letter to Davis. Haggis first became disenchanted with Scientology last year when it backed Prop 8, the ban on gay marriage in California."
Here's Haggis' letter to Davis:
Tommy,
Sincerely,
Paul Haggis
AP FILE PHOTO
Here's Haggis' letter to Davis:
Tommy,
As you know, for ten months now I have been writing to ask you to make a public statement denouncing the actions of the Church of Scientology of San Diego. Their public sponsorship of Proposition 8, a hate-filled legislation that succeeded in taking away the civil rights of gay and lesbian citizens of California – rights that were granted them by the Supreme Court of our state – shames us.
I called and wrote and implored you, as the official spokesman of the church, to condemn their actions. I told you I could not, in good conscience, be a member of an organization where gay-bashing was tolerated.
In that first conversation, back at the end of October of last year, you told me you were horrified, that you would get to the bottom of it and “heads would roll.” You promised action. Ten months passed. No action was forthcoming. The best you offered was a weak and carefully worded press release, which praised the church’s human rights record and took no responsibility. Even that, you decided not to publish.
The church’s refusal to denounce the actions of these bigots, hypocrites and homophobes is cowardly. I can think of no other word. Silence is consent, Tommy. I refuse to consent.
I joined the Church of Scientology thirty-five years ago. During my twenties and early thirties I studied and received a great deal of counseling. While I have not been an active member for many years, I found much of what I learned to be very helpful, and I still apply it in my daily life. I have never pretended to be the best Scientologist, but I openly and vigorously defended the church whenever it was criticized, as I railed against the kind of intolerance that I believed was directed against it. I had my disagreements, but I dealt with them internally. I saw the organization – with all its warts, growing pains and problems – as an underdog. And I have always had a thing for underdogs.
But I reached a point several weeks ago where I no longer knew what to think. You had allowed our name to be allied with the worst elements of the Christian Right. In order to contain a potential “PR flap” you allowed our sponsorship of Proposition 8 to stand. Despite all the church’s words about promoting freedom and human rights, its name is now in the public record alongside those who promote bigotry and intolerance, homophobia and fear.
The fact that the Mormon Church drew all the fire, that no one noticed, doesn’t matter. I noticed. And I felt sick. I wondered how the church could, in good conscience, through the action of a few and then the inaction of its leadership, support a bill that strips a group of its civil rights.
This was my state of mind when I was online doing research and chanced upon an interview clip with you on CNN. The interview lasted maybe ten minutes – it was just you and the newscaster. And in it I saw you deny the church’s policy of disconnection. You said straight-out there was no such policy, that it did not exist.
I was shocked. We all know this policy exists. I didn’t have to search for verification – I didn’t have to look any further than my own home. You might recall that my wife was ordered to disconnect from her parents because of something absolutely trivial they supposedly did twenty-five years ago when they resigned from the church. This is a lovely retired couple, never said a negative word about Scientology to me or anyone else I know – hardly raving maniacs or enemies of the church. In fact it was they who introduced my wife to Scientology.
Although it caused her terrible personal pain, my wife broke off all contact with them. I refused to do so. I’ve never been good at following orders, especially when I find them morally reprehensible.
For a year and a half, despite her protestations, my wife did not speak to her parents and they had limited access to their grandchild. It was a terrible time. That’s not ancient history, Tommy. It was a year ago. And you could laugh at the question as if it was a joke? You could publicly state that it doesn’t exist?
To see you lie so easily, I am afraid I had to ask myself: what else are you lying about? The great majority of Scientologists I know are good people who are genuinely interested in improving conditions on this planet and helping others. I have to believe that if they knew what I now know, they too would be horrified. But I know how easy it was for me to defend our organization and dismiss our critics, without ever truly looking at what was being said; I did it for thirty-five years. And so, after writing this letter, I am fully aware that some of my friends may choose to no longer associate with me, or in some cases work with me. I will always take their calls, as I always took yours. However, I have finally come to the conclusion that I can no longer be a part of this group. Frankly, I had to look no further than your refusal to denounce the church’s anti-gay stance, and the indefensible actions, and inactions, of those who condone this behavior within the organization. I am only ashamed that I waited this many months to act. I hereby resign my membership in the Church of Scientology.
Paul Haggis
AP FILE PHOTO
Finnegan The Squirrel
The moral of this story is the best part!!!
Debby Cantlon, who plans to release Finnegan, the young squirrel, back into the wild, bottle-fed the infant squirrel after it was brought to her house...
Finnegan was resting in a nest in a cage just days before Giselle was due to deliver her puppies.
Cantlon and her husband watched as the dog dragged the squirrel's cage twice to her own bedside before she gave birth.
Cantlon was concerned, yet ultimately decided to allow the squirrel out and the inter-species bonding began.
Finnegan rides a puppy mosh pit of sorts, burrowing in for warmth after feeding, eventually working his way beneath his new litter mates.
Two days after giving birth, mama dog Giselle allowed Finnegan to nurse; family photos and a video show her encouraging him to suckle alongside her litter of five pups.
Now, Finnegan mostly uses a bottle, but still snuggles with his 'siblings' in a moshpit of puppies, rolling atop their bodies, and sinking in deeply for a nap.
Finnegan and his new litter mates, five Papillion puppies,
get along together as if they were meant to.
Finnegan makes himself at home with his new litter mates, nuzzling nose-to-nose for a nap after feeding.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Keep loving everyone, even the squirrelly ones..
My little ponies
You know, I never was one for ponies and horses growing up. Maybe it was the city slicker in me, maybe I wasn't like other little girls in a wide variety of ways. While I think they are beautiful and majestic creatures, I never "had a thing" for them.
Of late though, it seems that I am starting to form my own personal "my lil' pony" corral.
There is Sterkarm the primary stud, and while he is sub, he has preferential treatment over everyone else.
Then there are the newly arrived pups. Met two thus far, and they are both just too cute for words. In their submissive, "please Auntie ram my sweet ass" kind of way. One especially likes to refer to me as "Goddess" and can't worship me enough. So cute. :)
There is the quiet rocker one, with the hockey player butt and sly smile. Just can't get enough of Auntie's attentions on that cute tush. Both are late twenties, but very willing to serve and don't seem like they will require a great deal of work to become fully house broken.
Then there are the young 'uns. Haven't met them offline yet, but both are very pleasing online thus far.
The youngest of the two is so adorable I can't wait to eat him up with a spoon. All he wants to do is worship at my feet (or any other body part that pleases me). So young and eager to learn, good head on his shoulders and most importantly, respectful. Can't wait to put him through his paces.
The other one is also good potential pony material. We have good chats online the last two days we've met and it might transfer over into real life, noone can tell for sure.
Now all I need is a unicorn to complete my personal erotic corral and all will be set. Got a good prospect online, but with girls, its so hard to know for sure who is for real.
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